{"id":151,"date":"2008-02-01T17:41:34","date_gmt":"2008-02-02T00:41:34","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.onelowerlight.com\/writing\/?p=151"},"modified":"2008-02-01T17:41:34","modified_gmt":"2008-02-02T00:41:34","slug":"thoughts-on-writing-groups","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.onelowerlight.com\/writing\/thoughts-on-writing-groups\/","title":{"rendered":"Thoughts on Writing Groups"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>It&#8217;s been really interesting to compare my experience with the Quark writing group with the writing group in English 318.\u00a0 There really is a lot of contrast between the two, and that&#8217;s helping me to understand what works and what doesn&#8217;t, and what writing groups are good for and not so good for&#8230;<\/p>\n<p><!--more--><br \/>\nHere are some of the major differences:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>In Quark, there is a lot of humor, whereas in 318 everyone is much more serious.<\/li>\n<li>In Quark, we start off with positive feedback, whereas in 318, people dive right into the criticism and don&#8217;t point out what worked.<\/li>\n<li>In Quark, we&#8217;re amateurs and hobby writers, whereas in 318 there are amateurs but also a lot of people trying to go pro.<\/li>\n<li>In Quark, we all know each other and are friends, whereas in 318 we&#8217;ve all be thrown together.<\/li>\n<li>In Quark, I usually submit stuff that I&#8217;ve already written on my own, whereas in 318 I&#8217;m writing with the purpose of submitting.<\/li>\n<li>In Quark, we have a lot of time to read over each others&#8217; stuff, whereas in 318 we&#8217;re more rushed.<\/li>\n<li>In Quark, we&#8217;re really laid back, whereas in 318 a lot of people are really uptight and tense.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Here&#8217;s what I&#8217;ve noticed:<\/p>\n<p>In any writing group, there&#8217;s going to be tension.\u00a0 That&#8217;s understandable, given the fact that most good feedback is critical.\u00a0 Because of the tension, a little bit of humor and an occassional tangent can really go a long way in helping people swallow the criticism without getting upset or anxious.\u00a0 That, I think, is one of Quark&#8217;s greatest strengths&#8211;and one of the reaons why writing meetings are always so enjoyable and refreshing for me.<\/p>\n<p>Because there are people taking the 318 group so seriously, it&#8217;s really hard for me to stifle the urge to respond to each comment.\u00a0 It&#8217;s not so much that I want to argue with people, as much as it is to clarify what I was going for (which isn&#8217;t so great, but when they see as a flaw something that you actually wanted them to get, it&#8217;s hard to get that across). Questions and clarifications that start out innocently can quickly escalate because the tension hasn&#8217;t been released.\u00a0 I&#8217;ve noticed that other people tend to get upset and anxious when their pieces go under the knife as well.<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;ve heard that writing groups become weaker when everybody becomes really good friends, but I think that the converse is also true: that groups are weak when nobody knows anybody.\u00a0 It&#8217;s harder for me to take others&#8217; feedback seriously when I don&#8217;t know them (especially when their own writing isn&#8217;t all that good), and it&#8217;s easier for others to dismiss me as well.\u00a0 For example, when I brought up some concerns about the sexuality in one scene, the writer asked &#8220;are you married?&#8221; and when I said no, he moved on to the next person.\u00a0 Maybe he took my criticism, maybe he didn&#8217;t, but the fact that that&#8217;s all he knows and cares to know about me makes me feel a little bit uneasy.<\/p>\n<p>It also bugs me when people whose own writing isn&#8217;t all that great tend to monopolize the conversation and give you feedback that isn&#8217;t specific enough to be helpful&#8211;or, worse, spend whole minutes giving you advice.\u00a0 In Quark, we&#8217;re pretty laid back, so it isn&#8217;t much of a problem&#8211;people jump in with their comments, and although it appears chaotic on the outside, we&#8217;ve got a good feel for when to let the other people speak.\u00a0 When you&#8217;re relaxed, you&#8217;re not going to feel like you constantly need to fill space with your comments&#8211;and you&#8217;re not going to be uptight about not being heard.<\/p>\n<p>Another big thing, for me at least, is that with Quark, I&#8217;m not writing my stories for the writing group&#8211;I&#8217;m writing them for myself and for the sake of the story.\u00a0 In 318, it&#8217;s an assignment.\u00a0 I know that logistically, there&#8217;s just no way to get around this (it is a class, after all), but the effect of this is tha it&#8217;s harder for me to pick and choose which criticism I&#8217;m going to implement.\u00a0 Last week, I got criticized really hard for how stiff and formal my dialogue was in <em>The Wormhole Paradigm<\/em>, but this week, Brandon was in the group and he criticized me for how informal my dialogue was in the new beginning&#8211;that people who are socially underdeveloped tend to be stiff and formal!\u00a0 So I betrayed the story based on what I thought the writing group wanted to read.\u00a0 That&#8217;s not good.<\/p>\n<p>What&#8217;s more, it&#8217;s hard to just spit out a rough draft when you&#8217;re getting tons of criticism every 2,000 words or so.\u00a0 That&#8217;s another disadvantage to writing something specifically for a writing group.\u00a0 It&#8217;s not something I can&#8217;t overcome&#8211;I&#8217;ll just have to acknowledge the criticism and put it off until I finish the rough draft&#8211;but that&#8217;s hard to do in such an environment.<\/p>\n<p>One thing that is true is that I&#8217;m more in my comfort zone in Quark than I am in 318.\u00a0 Does that mean that I&#8217;m making more progress in 318 than in Quark?\u00a0 That the feedback I&#8217;m getting in 318 is better because it&#8217;s making me uncomfortable?\u00a0 It might&#8211;but honestly, we get some really good feedback in Quark.\u00a0 Every time I&#8217;ve submitted something, I&#8217;ve come away with an &#8220;aha!&#8221; feeling, and a clear idea of what flaws I need to fix, as well as the motivation to do it.\u00a0 When I come away from 318, I tend to be more confused and demotivated.\u00a0 Not that I haven&#8217;t gotten good feedback from the 318 writing group&#8211;it just remains to be seen which critiques are better.<\/p>\n<p>So, which approach works better?\u00a0 Right now, I&#8217;d say we have a really good writing group going in Quark, but I&#8217;m not quite sure yet whether the 318 group is better or worse.\u00a0 Now, I&#8217;m leaning towards saying it&#8217;s worse, but it&#8217;s not totally useless, and besides that, it&#8217;s only been a couple of weeks.\u00a0 I won&#8217;t really know which approach is better until the end of the semester.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>It&#8217;s been really interesting to compare my experience with the Quark writing group with the writing group in English 318.\u00a0 There really is a lot of contrast between the two, and that&#8217;s helping me to understand what works and what doesn&#8217;t, and what writing groups are good for and not so good for&#8230;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":false,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2},"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false},"categories":[32],"tags":[20,599],"class_list":["post-151","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-ge","tag-quark-writing-group","tag-thoughts-reflections","entry"],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/p7iXK-2r","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_likes_enabled":true,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.onelowerlight.com\/writing\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/151","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.onelowerlight.com\/writing\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.onelowerlight.com\/writing\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.onelowerlight.com\/writing\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.onelowerlight.com\/writing\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=151"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.onelowerlight.com\/writing\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/151\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.onelowerlight.com\/writing\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=151"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.onelowerlight.com\/writing\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=151"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.onelowerlight.com\/writing\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=151"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}